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RADAR ALERT:
"Media Matters" Before and After

In RADAR's Monday, November 26th alert (http://mediaradar.org/alert20071126.php we discussed Media Matters for America's article entitled "On Your World, Mark Rudov falsely claimed 'women are equal-opportunity domestic abusers'" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200711210003). We explained that RADAR knew that a number of factual comments on this article had been submitted but not approved for publication by Media Matters' editors.

After RADAR's alert was posted, Media Matters approved an additional 31 comments submitted between last Wednesday and last Friday. All of the previously withheld comments were critical of Media Matters' position. The chronology of events, as best we can reconstruct it is as follows:

  • Tuesday, November 20 - Media Matters posts article saying the claim that "women are equal-opportunity domestic abusers" is false.
  • Tuesday through Friday - Media Matters editors post 32 of the 63 comments submitted.
  • Sometime Friday or Saturday - Media Matters disables posting of any further comments on this article.
  • Late Sunday night - RADAR issues an alert, notifying the public that Media Matters is not allowing factual comments that disagree with them.
  • Sometime Monday - After RADAR's alert is distributed, Media Matters' editors post an additional 31 comments critical of their position, 29 of which had been submitted the previous Wednesday, 1 submitted Thursday, and 1 submitted Friday.

A number of people who received our alert have asked who Media Matters is. The best information we've been able to find is at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299056,00.html.

Below are the comments that appeared on the Media Matters article as of late Monday night, November 26. The 31 comments that the Media Matters' editors didn't allow through until after RADAR's alert are shown on a pink background.

  • This is just plain disgusting, FOX is now in the business of giving air time to women haters. After all this is the network of the sexual harraser OReilly and the network that loves to show women dressed in a provactive way. 

    • - DorisRussell / Tuesday November 20, 2007 10:33:06 PM EST
    • This is good news for Tucker Carlson. He probably felt like a real wuss being the only guy on TV that was scared of being beat up by women.

      Check out the screen shot of Rudov.I know it's judging way too much from a single frame, but I'd bet he's got a few fat-lips for back-talking under his belt.

      • - HuntingtonBeachLefty / Wednesday November 21, 2007 12:28:45 AM EST
      • dude. two words.

        cave dweller.

        • - ultrasanktpauli / Wednesday November 21, 2007 01:37:36 AM EST
        • Har. UltraSP, I don't know how old you are, but do you remember when Coco Krispies had the ads with the cavemen, Kell & Ogg? Dead-on!

          BTW, my post was trying to say that Rudov had delivered a few fat lips to his dates, but on reflection, maybe he has received a few and that's why he's so frightened of women.

          • - HuntingtonBeachLefty / Wednesday November 21, 2007 01:54:17 AM EST
          • Your argument is so ridiculous. This guy told FOX news how women can be vindictive. Get a book when you have some time. Your comments show you haven't passed 7th grade yet!

            Women can lie about assault and they do. Go to the CDC website and please read the entire research and you will notice how incorrect Media Matters side of the story is.

            • - ghostrider12251747 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 02:57:04 AM EST
          • BTW, my post was trying to say that Rudov had delivered a few fat lips to his dates, but on reflection, maybe he has received a few and that's why he's so frightened of women.

            Or like so many right-wing macho men, he probably has a little, itty-bitty pee-pee.

            :-)

            • - wzwriter / Wednesday November 21, 2007 09:24:17 AM EST
          • 2 more words for this guy:

            Date rapist...

            I'm sure somewhere along the line, he's probably perpetrated that horrible crime on some woman who didn't report it.

            This guy is seriously messed up. Sounds like maybe he didn't get enough attention from his Mom when he was little? Calling Dr. Freud, oh Dr. Freud?

            • - magnolialover / Wednesday November 21, 2007 02:06:28 PM EST
          • I had to research it, thinking the Cocoa Krispies cavemen could have been an hallucination during my recent brush with death caused by the Novak/Morris stoopid bomb. I was able to find a picture of Ogg .

            • - HuntingtonBeachLefty / Thursday November 22, 2007 03:00:16 PM EST
        • Hey DUDE,

          Why don't you get the facts straight? You are the Cave man. This is 2007 and women kill men, kill their kids, kill pregnant women to steal their babies. Haven't you heard about MARY WINKLER? The preachers wife who killed him and claimed domestic abuse?

          Women are equal opportunity killers and abusers. This article is so misguided and accuses someone who tried to expose the hypocrisy in the media. Media Matters is WRONG.

          • - ghostrider12251747 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 02:51:56 AM EST
        • dude. two words.

          cave dweller.

          Two more words.

          Knuckle dragger.

          • - wzwriter / Wednesday November 21, 2007 09:22:25 AM EST
    • What's so disgusting? If you know anything about the facts you'd realize that Marc is telling the truth. This left wing article does not show CDC's correct statistics. Women are domestic abusers. They lie all the time and men usually do not report violence because of a lack of seriousness by people such as yourself. How could you call him a hate when you are spouting nonsense? Get an education! learn to read.

      In this article they do mention that women cause injury to men so why are you so bitter? You are the hater!

      • - ghostrider12251747 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 02:47:00 AM EST
    • Rudov is not even a good liar. One can only imagine the stuff in his book.  He falsely claims the government websites substantiate his claims but then adds that men don't report the abuse.  Which is it? 

      Woman hater wants to sell books and makes up the facts when his narrative is challenged.  Thanks MMFA.

      • - MiddleLeft / Wednesday November 21, 2007 09:33:31 AM EST
    • With all due respect, I would like to see how many of these victims were at the same time perpetrators.  If the assumption is that the victim is the one who is beat up more, then of course more women will be the victims. 

      And I do not see how saying Fox is a bunch of woman-haters would exonerate MMFA from being man-haters for trying to show that men are the evil.

      • - defenestrator / Wednesday November 21, 2007 03:27:27 PM EST
    • Maybe this guy should try being the type of man who attracts quality women. I can see why he obviously attracts women who need booze, cash, et al to get excited about him. What a cretin, eejit and liar. And he's gross. The picture on his book cover (click title above) shows a guy showing his butt. Apropos.

      • - juliajayne / Friday November 23, 2007 07:59:39 PM EST
  • Well, this guy is wrong about, well, a lot of things. First, the Duke University rape accusation and case, he is wrong about what happened to the woman that reported it. She was booked for filing a false report, and she has been taken to court on that. So indeed, something did happen to her, and no taser was involved there, so why he brought that up, is a non sequitor anyway.

    why does this guy begrudge women the ability to protect themselves from abuse, and or possible violence? I'm pretty sure that if a woman had been killed lately, some blonde haired, blue eyed, young and pretty woman, there would be a ton of talking heads on Fox talking about how she should have had a gun. Now they can't have tasers? Wiehl is right, a woman just tasers a man for no reason, she's going to see some jail time.

    Now apparently women wanting to protect themselves is some far left radical liberal thing? Women who do carry tasers are probably doing so for a good reason. Maybe they do feel scared. I know speaking to my fiance, she tells me that even during the day, when she walks across campus, she sometimes feels a little apprehensive, and that things have happened before, and this is always in the back of her mind when she walks anywhere alone. Never mind when she has to be somewhere at night.

    This guy's problem is possibly that he feels like he needs to be the protector of women. Men need to protect women, and he probably feels like they're not capable of doing it themselves. The other thing is, don't mess with someone, don't do anything that would make you get tasered, and you don't have anything to worry about. I find it hard to believe that there are women walking down the street taking out their tasers and randomly shocking men as they walk past. What a load of crap.

    I'm sure on some levels, this guy probably likes to get tied up, and dominated by a woman, he's got problems that's for sure. And he's got his statistics completely wrong. I can only end with one thing. What a complete and utter moron and douchebag he is.

    • - magnolialover / Wednesday November 21, 2007 12:27:01 AM EST
    • I've heard, from a pretty reliable source no less, that Dick Morris kind of likes to get 'tazed'. But, that's a whole other issue.

      • - ultrasanktpauli / Wednesday November 21, 2007 01:40:05 AM EST
      • While he's sucking on a prostitute's toes.....

        • - wzwriter / Wednesday November 21, 2007 12:18:25 PM EST
    • Your comments show how immature you really are. If you read (that would be a surprise) instead of watching OPRAH you will know that there are a lot of vindictive women around. Women falsely accuse men of rape and assault and it shows that they could easily fabricate a lie. Your facts are so far from the truth in the DUKE case. The so called victim was never CONVICTED of falsely accusing the players. She was charged (so what), but the prosecutor like in many cases of these liars let her go. Marc did mention this in several other appearances. You are another misguided person. I bet you are a supporter of these liars and accusers. This MEDIA MATTERS site is another feminized area for emotionally weak people.

      • - ghostrider12251747 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 02:42:09 AM EST
  • While the rates are certainly not equal and Rudov has questionable reading comprehension skills, if he even bothered to read the report. I must admit I am surprised and alarmed the results are as close as they are. I hoped for better from at least one end of the gene pool.

    • - ufleirx / Wednesday November 21, 2007 12:42:34 AM EST
    • I would say that a good portion of the DV incidents against men were likely by a male partner, while a much smaller percentage of the DV incidents against women were by a female partner.  I did not read the study, so I don't know if they broke it out like that, but it looks like they did, according to MMFA, and concluded that the perpetrators were much more likely to be men, whether against female partners or male partners.

      • - jawill11 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 10:33:17 AM EST
      • I wonder if the majority of female-against-men cases are of women finally getting fed up with serial abuse and engaging in revenge.

        • - atheist / Wednesday November 21, 2007 03:44:25 PM EST
      • Fair call. I must admit I had a different and very possibly flawed interruptation of the information I read at midnight. Hummmmmmmm, could Rudov have read the report one late night and stuck his foot in it as I did? No, again I doubt he read it.

        • - ufleirx / Thursday November 22, 2007 02:12:58 AM EST
  • This makes it dangerous for men, and if a man meets a woman who has a Taser, he should be very, very afraid of her.

    LOL

    What happen Mark, some little woman beat you up? I got some bad news for you, a woman doesn't need a taser to hurt a man. A hot pan of grits, oatmeal, boiling sugar water will do the trick, cheaper too.

    • - pearlene_scott1602 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 12:47:35 AM EST
    • Pearlene, are you that lousy a cook? ;0)

      • - HuntingtonBeachLefty / Wednesday November 21, 2007 01:56:03 AM EST
      • No she's the type of violent attacker that marc talks about. This person proves his point of vindictive sarcastic women.

        • - ghostrider12251747 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 02:59:06 AM EST
      • All I know is I don't want to get on Pearlene's bad side.....

        :-)

        • - wzwriter / Wednesday November 21, 2007 12:19:38 PM EST
        • LOL !

          I wonder if those instant oatmeal packets will do.

          • - atheist / Wednesday November 21, 2007 04:17:02 PM EST
    • You prove Marc Rudov's point! he mentioned that women can and will get violent. Your comments show the kind of person you are. If you can mention ways to hurt a man why do you think this guy is a hater. This kind of Misanderistic attitude leads women to act violent. If you listened, you will know that he talked in context. If you read the CDC article it shows that women's violence has increased. Go to [link to www.heraldnet.com] to read the statistics. Women commit more violent acts than men. Women and feminized men are the real haters.

      • - ghostrider12251747 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 02:12:36 AM EST
  • Pearlene, no teasing at this late hour.

    I would like to offer Mr. Rudov 2.9 million dollars in exchange for 4.8 million dollars and call it even. Think he would go for it?

    Who is this guy? Reminds me of the one-armed killer in the FUGITIVE movie.

    • - princeofwheels / Wednesday November 21, 2007 01:49:06 AM EST
    • Your sarcasm show how little you think of the statistics of female violent criminals? This shows the misanderistic attitudes of people who this since the statistics are low somehow that is not as important.

      Who are you? You sound like that killer MARY WINKLER who killed the husband and claimed abuse. Even the feminist court tv was stunned! Get a clue! Women can lie and they do. They are violent (read the article again). Finally, read the CDC statistics in context (go to the CDC website) and you will notice that He is correct. A misanderer like yourself should read.

      • - ghostrider12251747 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 03:05:18 AM EST
  • To all those who claim that Marc Rudov is a woman hater need to go to the CDC website and it does show A 2007 survey sponsored by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control of young adults had found that 71 percent of the instigators in nonreciprocal partner violence were women. A national survey of married and cohabiting partners found that 8 percent of women engaged in severe partner violence, while only 4 percent of men were involved in severe violence.

    In addition, Irene Hanson Frieze, in Psychology of Women's Quarterly, says "Research indicates that women can be just as violent as their partners." Don Dutton from the University of British Columbia notes that "Recent evidence from the best designed studies indicates that intimate partner violence is committed by both genders with often equal consequences." And the Journal of Family Psychology in 2006 tells us that "Differences were observed in the rates of male and female partner violence, with female violence occurring more frequently."

    Furthermore, Men often suffer injuries from their wives or girlfriends. According to a 2000 analysis by John

    Archer, men suffer 38 percent of all injuries arising from partner aggression. But men often endure their pain in silence and don't report the incident. As a result, the media and others often present a one-sided and distorted view of the problem.

    Domestic violence industry advocates often make claims such as "95 percent of DV victims are women." These false statements only make the problem worse because:

    n Abusive women can't get the help they need.

    n Male victims are denied services.

    n False allegations of abuse escalate partner conflict and families are harmed.

    n Aggressive domestic violence laws short-circuit due process and create a presumption of "guilty until proven innocent."

    Why do you hate the truth? This attack shows a lack of seriousness for violence against men because we love female victimhood. I believe we have a right to protect our sons, friends, fathers as much as women. J.D & S.N.J's comments about the violent attacks on men in this article show how serious they are about violence perpetrated by women. These writers show a misanderistic attitude towards men. I was appalled at their assumptions, blaming men and victimizing women. The statistics quoted by them show that women are capable of committing the same crimes. Why should they be treated any different? If you have any decency you will post the truth. I know my comments might not be posted to hide the truth. Marc Rudove talked about the research as a whole, not bits and pieces.

    • - ghostrider12251747 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 02:29:45 AM EST
  • " but there are a lot of other women who are going to use them out of spite and anger and revenge, and there's no way to separate the two because the the Violence Against Women Act gives women lopsided rights in hurting men with impunity."

    So there might some other kind of snap, crackle and pop going on at the breakfast table, eh wingnuts?

    • - carlileb5935 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 04:08:26 AM EST
    • Women have the opportunity to use handguns RIGHT NOW "out of spite and anger", and so few do, why would Rudov think that Tasers will be any worse ?

      • - atheist / Wednesday November 21, 2007 04:37:17 PM EST
      • He's also very concerned about kids getting into purses and getting mommy's tazer-- I wonder if he feels the same way about handguns in the house.  I would guess the answer is "no."

        This guy has decided in his own little brain that there are thousands of abused men out there who are afraid to report the abuse, and he mentally just adds that number- thousands, lets make it ten thousand, nice round number- to the statistics that show that 75% of domestic violence victims are women, and what do you know, that means that the percentages are even.  

        I wonder how many times he's been told by "scary" women to back off, "I Have a Tazer, I have mace," etc.  And he probably thinks of himself as "abused" every time he picks up the check and takes her home and she doesn't put out.   That, and she must be a lesbian, of course. 

        • - jjamele2880 / Friday November 23, 2007 12:50:03 PM EST
    • Where's the tolerance and where's the diversity of thought. Oh yea, I forgot your views here cannot stand up to logic and debate.

      • - cmjoseruiz2934 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 06:14:48 PM EST
  • Just because it does not mesh with your preconceived notions of DV does not mean that he may not be telling the truth. Several studies have pointed to EQUAL incidences of DV for both males and females along with several studies that have pointed to women being more likely to initiate DV.

    For instance: [link to pubpages.unh.edu]

    DOMINANCE AND SYMMETRY IN PARTNER VIOLENCE BY MALE AND FEMALE UNIVERSITY STUDENTS IN 32 NATIONS1

    "The study investigated the widely held belief that violence against partners in marital, cohabiting, and dating relationships is almost entirely perpetrated by men, and that when women assault their partners, it has a different etiology than assaults by men. The empirical data on these issues were provided by 13,601 university students who participated in the International Dating Violence Study in 32 nations. The results in the first part of this paper show that almost a third of the female as well as male students physically assaulted a dating partner in the 12 month study period, and that the most frequent pattern was mutuality in violence, i.e. both were violent, followed by "female-only" violence. Violence by only the male partner was the least frequent pattern according to both male and female participants."

    Bibliography of women assault studies: [link to www.csulb.edu]

    Intresting studies:

    "Archer, J. (2000). Sex differences in aggression between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review. Psychological Bulletin, 126, 651-680. (Meta-analyses of sex differences in physical aggression indicate that women were more likely than men to "use one or more acts of physical aggression and to use such acts more frequently." In terms of injuries, women were somewhat more likely to be injured, and analyses reveal that 62% of those injured were women.)"

    "Brown, G. (2004). Gender as a factor in the response of the law-enforcement system to violence against partners. Sexuality and Culture, 8, (3-4), 3-139. (Summarizes partner violence data from the 1999 Canadian General Social Survey . The GSS is based on a representative sample of 25,876 persons. Overall in the 12-month period preceding the survey, an estimated 3% Canadian women and 2% of Canadian men reported experiencing violence from their partners. During the 5 year period from 1995-1999, an estimated 8% of Canadian women and 7% of Canadian men reported violence from their partners. Reviewed police and legal responses to partner violence in Edmonton, Canada and concludes that ". . . men who are involved in disputes with their partners, whether as alleged victims or as alleged offenders or both, are disadvantaged and treated less favorably than women by the law-enforcement system at almost every step.")"

    So please just because one study points out that ONLY 37 percent of all DV happens to men (gee such a small number). Does not mean that there aren't tons of studies backing up his claim.

    • - troyrob7843 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 05:34:07 AM EST
  • Mr Rudov ehibits the foresight and wisdom of a Supreme Court judge in his spot on appraisals of the inequality of the sexes. His data is factual, and indeed raises concerns about the feminist driven "rights" established to protect women, which obviously relagate men to 2nd class citizenry. Mr Rudov's simple no-nonsense approach to relationships exposes the ugly truth of matters the leftie/feminist types hold so dear to their bleeding hearts. The personal attacks upon his character and appearance are proof positive of their fear of logic, reason, and common sense. "Feelings" at the volume of shrill are no match for Mr Rudov's powerful message.

    • - Logical Analysis / Wednesday November 21, 2007 06:01:42 AM EST
  • Here's the thing folks - Marc perhaps got the statistics off, I'm not exactly sure about that but it's agood thing, because I think he got the clear attention of a lot of the population - face it, this is a big concern: 2.9 Million women Seriously assault a man every year (and those are the ones that are reported). It is also likely that many men will not actually report that they have been abused by a woman. So the Taser thing is a bit of a concern. Also take a look at this quote from a research article (Aug 2007) in Pschiatryonline.org:

     " Women are doing virtually everything these days that men are – working as doctors, lawyers, and rocket scientists; flying helicopters in combat; riding horses in the Kentucky Derby. And physically assaulting their spouses or partners. In fact, when it comes to nonreciprocal violence between intimate partners, women are more often the perpetrators. These findings on intimate partner violence come from a study conducted by scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The lead investigator was Daniel Whitaker, Ph.D., a behavioral scientist and team leader at the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control (which is part of the CDC). Results were published in the May Journal of Public Health . "

    http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/42/15/31-a

     

    Also if you used published statistics to adjust the numbers for fake DV reports by women and non-reported DV by men - I think Marc is probably right in a fundamental sense:

     

    According to the National Family Violence Survey, female victims of DV are nine times more likely to call the police than male DV victims. These are the percentages of victims who called the police in response to the assault:  Women: 8.5% Men: 0.9%

    So if you apply these to the CDC numbers - actually women commit much more violence against men!

     Rember Guys 2.9 million reported cases of abusive women seriously injuring a man in DV cases - That is a hugely important fact!!! And now we have given them legally concealable weapons which can be very effective in temporarily paralyzing you! Did you also know that if a child is to be fatally injured by a parent, it is 4 times more likley to be the mother than the father - Yikes. We need to take stock of what's going on here. Are women really sugar and spice?
    • - thomas.conway8340 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 08:00:45 AM EST
  • Wow. These guys really are Troglodytes. For thousands of years, men have exploited their physical size advantage and dominated women. Now that technology and our laws have given women a little leverage, these neanderthals are wetting their pants. Priceless.

    • - nerzog / Wednesday November 21, 2007 09:53:32 AM EST
  • Here is the likely source of Rudov's claim:

    http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/42/15/31-a?eaf"In fact, when it comes to nonreciprocal violence between intimate partners, women are more often the perpetrators.These findings on intimate partner violence come from a study conducted by scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The lead investigator was Daniel Whitaker, Ph.D., a behavioral scientist and team leader at the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control (which is part of the CDC). Results were published in the May Journal of Public Health......Regarding perpetration of violence, more women than men (25 percent versus 11 percent) were responsible. In fact, 71 percent of the instigators in nonreciprocal partner violence were women. This finding surprised Whitaker and his colleagues, they admitted in their study report."

    You can read it and make up your own mind.

     

    • - El Quijote / Wednesday November 21, 2007 09:55:44 AM EST
  • I think this guy is just saying what is the truth. The feminazis have used phoney statistics for years to justify their VAWA boondogle and also to keep their little women's studies programs going. Women are the ones that need to get their statistics straight not this guy Rudov.

     

    • - cmjoseruiz2934 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 10:16:35 AM EST
  • nerzog...for thousands of years men have died on the battlefield, done the heavy lifting, and worked themselves to an earlier, and earlier death to protect and provide for women!! That is becomeing quaint and obsolete in an evolutionary instant!! 

    • - mensactivism.org / Wednesday November 21, 2007 10:26:04 AM EST
  • This attack on women might be a veiled attack on HRC.  After all, Fox Noise is just about all-consumed with all things Hillary.

    • - foghornleghorn / Wednesday November 21, 2007 11:08:31 AM EST
  • Women can't have it both ways: both strong, fearless women and helpless little girls.

    This study shows women are just as violent as men, but under different conditions. Numerous studies in several countries have yielded the same results.

     For example, Canadian research shows that "Although women made up a maller number of spousal violence offenders, among those who were convicted, women were more likely than men to be convicted of major assault: 31% of women and 10% of men Table 5). This is attributable to the fact that higher percentages of women used weapons in the commission of the offence (Gannon and Brzozowski 2004). Male victims are also less likely to report spousal violence to police unless the assault involves injury or a weapon."

    It is a commonplace to note that women under-report abuse, but it is less common to note that men under-report abuse too --- and report it far less often than women.

    It's logically impossible to  treat women equally without assigning them  equal responsibility. Trading in medieval stereotypes of the "helpless woman" is evidence of a submerged belief in the inferiority of women.

    Women are just as smart, competent --- and yes, dangerous -- as men. Only a misogynist fool could think otherwise. 

    • - jeff.younger2 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 11:08:56 AM EST
  • Fox News does not understand the difference between crime data and sociological data.  The Department of Justice data cited by Fox News is crime data,  which is unreliable because men are far less likely than women to report it to police or to deem it a crime in a crime suvey.  Sociological data is far more reliable, and it overwhelmingly shows women are as violent as men in relationships. 

     

    Harvard Medical School just announced a major study showing 24% of heterosexual couples have violence, half of it reciprocal, and that women initiate most of the reciprocal violence and 71% of the non-reciprocal violence, and both suffer significant injuries.     http://www.patienteducationcenter.org/aspx/HealthELibrary/HealthETopic.aspx?cid=M0907d http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/42/15/31-a http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/5/941 Cal State University Professor Martin Fiebert summarizes over 200 studies/analyses showing women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in heterosexual  relationships.   http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm . A recent 32-nation study by the University of New Hampshire confirmed this worldwide and found women are just as controlling as men in relationships in both rich and poor nations alike.  http://www.unh.edu/news/cj_nr/2006/may/em_060519male.cfm?type=n http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID41E2.pdf   The University of Florida recently found women are more likely than men to "stalk, attack and abuse" their partners. http://news.ufl.edu/2006/07/13/women-attackers/ The University of Washington recently found similar results. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070625111433.htm

    University of Pennsylvania Professor Richard Gelles states: 'Contrary to the claim that women only hit in self-defense, we found that women were as likely to initiate the violence as were men,' in his article reprinted at http://www.ncfmla.org/gelles.html This data is recognized by the American Psychological Association. http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct06/pc.html This Canadian government report also recognizes the above data.  http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/ncfv-cnivf/familyviolence/pdfs/Intimate_Partner.pdf

    See:

    Archer, J., 'Sex differences in aggression between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review,' Aggression and Violent Behavior (7) 2002, 313-351, http://www.maennerbuero-trier.de/Archer_2002.pdf Dutton, D., & Corvo, K., 'Transforming a flawed policy: A call to revive psychology and science in domestic violence research and practice,' (11) 2006, 457-483, http://www.nfvlrc.org/docs/DuttonCorvo.policypaper.pdf Professor Murray A. Straus, Family Research Laboratory, University of Pennsylvania, http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/
    • - marcangelucci197 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 11:11:13 AM EST
  • SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!

    Real Men don't harm women.

    Real Men aren't affraid of their women assaulting them, but do worry about being made to do the dishes.

    Real Men Don't Watch Fox News!

    Real Men Don't Work for Fox News! Real Women who do are discusted with men who do work for Fox News!

    Fox News is the Republican Shill Network.

    Real Men who love Real Women need to push back on things like Fox News if they want anything to do with Real Women!

    Happy Thoughts;

    Dan Grady

    • - dangrady / Wednesday November 21, 2007 11:15:59 AM EST
  • Media Matters obviously doesn't know the difference between crime data and sociological data.  The joint CDC/National Inst. of Justice study they cite was partly crime-based (co-sponsored by the Dept. of Justice) and thus is unreliable becuase it men are far less likely to see it as a crime in a crime survey or to report it as a crime.  Sociological data overwhelmingly shows that Marc Rudov is right and Media Matters is wrong.

     

    Harvard Medical School just announced a major study showing 24% of heterosexual couples have violence, half of it reciprocal, and that women initiate most of the reciprocal violence and 71% of the non-reciprocal violence, and both suffer significant injuries.     http://www.patienteducationcenter.org/aspx/HealthELibrary/HealthETopic.aspx?cid=M0907d http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/42/15/31-a http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/5/941 California State University Professor Martin Fiebert summarizes over 200 studies/analyses showing women are as violent as men in relationships at http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm . A recent 32-nation study by the University of New Hampshire confirmed this worldwide and found women are just as controlling as men in relationships in both rich and poor nations alike.  http://www.unh.edu/news/cj_nr/2006/may/em_060519male.cfm?type=n http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID41E2.pdf   The University of Florida recently found women are more likely than men to "stalk, attack and abuse" their partners. http://news.ufl.edu/2006/07/13/women-attackers/ The University of Washington recently found similar results. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070625111433.htm University of Pennsylvania Professor Richard Gelles states: 'Contrary to the claim that women only hit in self-defense, we found that women were as likely to initiate the violence as were men,' in his article reprinted at http://www.ncfmla.org/gelles.html This data is recognized by the American Psychological Association. http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct06/pc.html This Canadian government report also recognizes the above data. http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/ncfv-cnivf/familyviolence/pdfs/Intimate_Partner.pdf See:Archer, J., 'Sex differences in aggression between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review,' Aggression and Violent Behavior (7) 2002, 313-351, http://www.maennerbuero-trier.de/Archer_2002.pdf Dutton, D., & Corvo, K., 'Transforming a flawed policy: A call to revive psychology and science in domestic violence research and practice,' (11) 2006, 457-483, http://www.nfvlrc.org/docs/DuttonCorvo.policypaper.pdf Professor Murray A. Straus, Family Research Laboratory, University of Pennsylvania, http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/

     

    • - marcangelucci197 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 11:17:31 AM EST
  • I love this one:"Wow. These guys really are Troglodytes. For thousands of years, men have exploited their physical size advantage and dominated women. Now that technology and our laws have given women a little leverage, these neanderthals are wetting their pants. Priceless."What is this person clueless - women have used all kinds of tactics to destroy, murder, denigrate and malign men for just as many years. Men did exploit their physical size, just as woman exploited their own set of attributes - their nurturing appearance - lull the man into believing you are a loving, harmless creature and then when he's not looking - whack him with a shovel. We see all of this in the news and yet we elect to ignore it (Amy wine house and Bobette for example and countless others). When it happens - we rag on the man for being a weenie (like a few of the posts above) rather than actually saying "wait a second - something is not right here." Violence between the genders is an 'equal opportunity sport' and women are very good at it and have been for thousands of years. We just don't want to admit it. Most of these posts ignore the basic premise here - Women are big-time abusers and that is what Marc brought to all of our attentions. Recent publications are showing that woman not only are equal as injurious but also initiate the majority of these cases. 

     

     

     

     

    • - thomas.conway8340 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 11:22:10 AM EST
  • I wish I could concurr with Media Matters and fellow posters here, and it pains me greatly to side with Fox/Rudov on this topic.  Media Matters is correct in pointing out the statistical data related to "physical violence".  More women to men in total (62%-38%) suffer from physical domestic abuse.  However domestic violence in totality (verbal abuse, property abuse, false accusation) the HHS and CDC statistics do show that women actually initiate domestic violence - by a slim statistical margin- than men.  This is consistent in several western countries, the UK, Canada, Australia and Germany among them.  So despite the despicable presentation of Mr. Rudov, he does have a factual point, as distasteful and conditioned we are to not accept it, women are indeed equal opportunity abusers.

    Thank you for your time!

    • - huilenowl5154 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 02:02:41 PM EST
  • Further, the whole point of MMFA's sources are reports that are intended to bolster attention and therefore funding for women victims.  The reality is they say they could not factor out cultural leanings to not disclose the information, without disclosing that those leanings could be based on gender:

    " More research is needed to determine how much of the difference in intimate partner prevalence rates among women and men of different racial and ethnic backgrounds can be explained by the respondent's willingness to disclose intimate partner violence and how much by social, demographic, and environmental factors."

    Further, MMFA does not check the veracity of the claims in this biased study that claim 30% of women are subject to physical or emotional abuse, compared to only 7.7% of men.  3 out of 10 women?  All women should be lesbians if that's the case.

    • - defenestrator / Wednesday November 21, 2007 03:45:29 PM EST
  • I would love to see the a-hole's advice for turning on women.  Last a whole 2 minutes instead of just 1 ?  Yank her around by her hair ?  Smother her with a pillow ?  Realize that rape fantasy you think she obsesses about ?  

    • - atheist / Wednesday November 21, 2007 03:47:04 PM EST
  • In a 2005 article, Rudov wrote the following advice to women:

    Get radio stations, TV networks and stations, newspapers, magazines, and advertisers to stop their negative portrayals of men . Also, demand that your state and federal legislators vote against VAWA 2005 and change it to the Violence Against Persons Act (VAPA), eliminating the anti-male bias in domestic-violence cases.

    What a pussy.

    I don't recommend reading the article.  I'm only providing the link as evidence in case someone wants to fact-check me.

    http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/r/rudov/2005/rudov090905.htm 

    • - atheist / Wednesday November 21, 2007 04:02:39 PM EST
  • Even if the numbers were close to equal, the outcomes for abused women tend to be much worse than for men (injuries tend to be more severe for abused women).

    And as an aside, I wonder what this dolt thinks of the "stand your ground/make my day" type laws? 

     

    • - Old_Benjamin / Wednesday November 21, 2007 04:25:17 PM EST
    • IPV resulted in 1,544 deaths in 2004. Of these deaths, 25% were males and 75% were females.

       

      • About one third of female murder victims were killed by an intimate.
      • About 3% of male murder victims were killed by an intimate.
      • Of all female murder victims, the proportion killed by an intimate has been increasing.
      • Of male murder victims, the proportion killed by an intimate has dropped.

       

      • - atheist / Wednesday November 21, 2007 04:34:14 PM EST
  •  

    Old_Benjimin - where did you get your facts - it is not true that injuries to women tend to be more severe - in fact most current-day studies show just the opposite - women inflict much more serious injuries. Why? Because they use the element of surprise and weapons to gain the upper hand in a conflict and they use it to great effect (including Tasers). A few current day examples: A wife who poured 250 deg vegitable oil all over the head of her husband, Bobette and several followers, etc. etc.

    You have been misled into believing what the media and the extreme womens groups want you to believe. In fact the women who started the women's shelter concept , Erin Pizzy, has become very active about the fact that in her experience, women are just as dangerous and violent as men. She additionally notes that VAWA is in fact hurting real abuse victims because so many are abusing the system.

     

    • - thomas.conway8340 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 04:36:17 PM EST
  • I am pleased to see Marc Rudov stand up to the feminazis and their "hate men first" sychophants on this as well as other issues.

    More and more American men are alarmed to see their civil, criminal, social, and reproductive rights trampled, with women being provided increasingly greater leeway to attack men as they please, even to the point of murdering men, as long as they say the magic words "but I felt threatened".......

    Anyone with a third-grade education or greater can read for themselves about that human vermin Mary Winkler who shot her sleeping husband in the back, refused to summon emergency services to save his life..... simply because she was caught running a financial scam and feared prosecution.

    But she was coached by her feminazi handlers to change her original story and her statement to one of "abuse" by her husband.... who could not contradict her statement since he had already been murdered by her.

    Likewise, those feminazi vermin behind "taser parties" are providing women with high-tech weaponry that they can use with impunity, most likely against men.

    Thank you, Marc Rudov for daring to confront the feminazis and their man-hating supporters!

    • - billlee20038142 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 04:51:42 PM EST
  • I guess Media Matters is only interested in one side of the story as I have provided facts about Domestic abuse by women. To the guy who labeld This Marc Rudov as a pussy for telling women to vote against VAWA need t realize that women are being violent and they use this law to hide their crimes. Media Matters is biased and they won't post any counter arguments. How could you claim to be democratic?

    • - ghostrider12251747 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 05:12:24 PM EST
  • I believe domestic violence is a serious issue for men. I am tired of the hate speech when it's about women who commit the same crimes against a man. Why should only women be protected when the constitution claims to protect men? Marc Rudov talked in general how women have become vindictive and violent. The statistics show that women are capable? He is not the hater!

    • - ghostrider12251747 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 05:17:58 PM EST
  • "So there might some other kind of snap, crackle and pop going on at the breakfast table, eh wingnuts?"

    So..... you wouldn't mind being tased yourself, eh "carilleb5935?

    Or were you simply unable to come up with any logical argument to Marc Rudov's point, perhaps?

    • - billlee20038142 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 05:18:45 PM EST
  • "Real Men don't harm women."

    Close.  Real men don't harm women, but insist on prosecuting those violent women who assault them.

    And of course the corollary is that Real Women don't harm men (or children). 

    "Real Men aren't affraid of their women assaulting them, but do worry about being made to do the dishes."

    Actually, any woman is capable of using weaponry or attacking sleeping or unsuspecting men, other women, and children.  Just as is the case with some men, some women are violent, so only the suicidal and ignorant would make a statement that an entire gender is to be trusted, simply because they were born with one set of genitalia versus another.

    "Real Men Don't Watch Fox News!"

    Real Men (and Real Women) attempt to stay informed.  Providing those individuals are being presented with facts, what's your excuse?

    "Real Men Don't Work for Fox News! Real Women who do are discusted with men who do work for Fox News!"

    Real men work, period..... because nobody is going to offer to pay their bills.   If they want to work for Fox News, that's their choice.    

    "Fox News is the Republican Shill Network."

    No doubt you would prefer your own shills employed in the media..... 

    "Real Men who love Real Women need to push back on things like Fox News if they want anything to do with Real Women!"

    Real Women who love Real Men need to push back on misinformed, benighted individuals if they want anything to do with Real Men!

    Or in other words, there are enough women out there that a man can make his own choices in life and still love women.  Or did you miss that small detail?

    Happy Thoughts;

    Dan Grady

     

    Happy wishes for your future education, Dan Grady!

    • - billlee20038142 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 05:29:37 PM EST
  • "Even if the numbers were close to equal, the outcomes for abused women tend to be much worse than for men (injuries tend to be more severe for abused women)."

     That's certainly of little comfort to those men such as Matthew Winkler, who was murdered by his wife with a shotgun blast in the back while he was sleeping.

    Or perhaps that sort of outcome was not severe enough for you?

    Then how about the Houston dentist who murdered her husband by running him over with her Mercedes (with their child beside her on the front seat.

    Women can and do use WEAPONS when they get violent, which tends to negate men's physical advantages.

    Best of all for those women who commit abuse and murder their intimates, they can always claim "abuse" and get off with little or no punishment for their violence. 

    • - billlee20038142 / Wednesday November 21, 2007 05:34:14 PM EST
  • The fact that the CDC website cites out of date and inaccurate data doesn't make Rudov a liar.Those of you who actually care about objective research should know that, according to the latest CDC research, Rudov understated the case.  At http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/5/941 you can get a copy of research by the CDC published in the March 2007 issue of the peer-reviewed scientific journal, "American Journal of Public Health" -- not what you'd call a lunatic-fringe publication.This research analyzed data on 11,370 young heterosexual adults aged 18 to 28.  (I emphasize heterosexual only because Jawill11 speculated that "a good portion of the DV incidents against men were likely by a male partner".  Read the research.  Jawill11 is absolutely wrong!)  Of those couples in which violence occurred, about half reported that both partners were violent to each other (reciprocal violence).  Of the violent couples in which only one partner was violent (non-reciprocal violence), the woman was the perpetrator in a surprising 70% of the cases!  That's right.  The CDC found that women are MORE violent than men, not equally violent as Rudov stated.Those of you who'd rather shoot the messenger can return to your regularly scheduled insults.

    • - mbr / Thursday November 22, 2007 03:10:06 AM EST
  • I happen to agree with a lot of Mark Rudov's philosophies, and I am a woman. As a mother of two boys, I'm concerned about the attitude our society have toward boys, men and fathers.I am not against harsh laws that will protect the vulnerable from predators. But living in today's society, to say that women are the only victims, is not only ridiculous, it's discriminatory and sexist. Discriminatory because my son is just as likely to be raped or murdered as my daughter, by a stranger, a member in his family (God forbid), or one of his peers.  And sexist because once again men continue to feed women this nonsense that they're constant victims, smaller, weaker and defenseless.We need harsh laws for ALL offenders of the law regardless of sex. If a man is going to brutally rape a woman without conscience, by all means lock him up and throw away the key. However, if a woman is privy to falsely accusing a man of rape and ruining his life out of spite, she should be jailed for no less than 3 years. Many of you are too much in denial or just don't care because you've probably never have to deal with the judicial system in this country, but the stakes are completely stocked against men in all cases. Women and men who commit the same crime do not get the same punishment. Of the woman is let off the hook because she's often a "victim". In a DV case a woman can abuse you and then call the police and HAVE you locked up. Most men spend their entire life working their asses off to provide for their children only to be evicted from your own home and have your children poisoned against you.Regarding Mark's misquote of the DV reports on governmental sites; I wonder if you guys call out the feminists on their myths and false statistics. Mark may exaggerate (and even this is highly arguable, see link below) but at least he tells the truth. Men are being abused by women, but it is almost never reported and the men are often too ashamed to come forward ... exactly because men like you live in a dream world as to the problems you yourselves face. I hope you all have completely just and law-abiding wives and girlfriends. I wouldn't want you to know what it feels like to be falsely accused, alienated from your children, robbed of everything you own by a biased and unjust family court system, thrown into prison based entirely on another person's word without an ounce of evidence. These are some of the things that has Mark infuriated, and I understand him ... because I'm a mother of sons. Mark is not a woman hater ... he's simply fighting for what women have said they wanted for decades: equality as opposed to supremacy. But it seems as though many woman say they want equality but without the responsibility that equality brings. And people like many of you on here, are enabling this behavior.Wake up, guys. Mark is not your enemy. In fact he, and others like him, just might be your only friends under this femi-nazist regime in which we live.I suggest you all of you take a look at the following links:Of course children don't need fathers

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article2910178.ece

    A review of DV in the US, in response to the book by James Hamel: Gender Inclusive Treatment of Intimate Partner Abuse

    www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/5/941

     

    • - mamashelley9486 / Friday November 23, 2007 10:55:38 AM EST

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